How was Joseph Smith a jerk in real life. Why did they murder him. And was he the same as L. Ron Hubbard.
Kelly: Joseph actually had many more than one wife. He had a total of 52 as documented by state, county, and LDS/RLDS records. 46 of these wives are confirmed by more than one source. Here’s a link:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Smith%2C_Jr._and_polygamy#Sealing_vs_MarriageIceprincess: Joseph Smith became a freemason in 1842, 12 years AFTER starting the church. There is no record of any myth of golden plates in freemasonry. There was, however a fictional book written at the time by Solomon Spalding called “Manuscript Found” where a guy finds a buried document containing the supposed cultural and religious history of the inhabitants of America which came from the near east several hundred years before Christ.The real reason for Joseph’s murder is very complicated. First of all, no, he wasn’t originally a jerk. When he founded Nauvoo, however, and it was as big as Chicago (then the fourth-largest city in the US), he began to get proud, and became a jerk. He started marrying his 52 wives, began drinking publicly (often passing out in a ditch overnight), developped fits of rage against people who contradicted him, and excommunicated people who tried to call him to repentance, calling them ‘liars and apostates’.A few apostles and other general officers of the church that tried to call him to repentance were excommunicated without a trial before a church council (which was and still is against church policy), and were fed up, so they published a newspaper called the “Nauvoo Expositor”. To this day, the LDS Church has never said that any of the information in this newspaper was false. It talked of his polygamy, alcohol problems, rage issues, and self-indulging control issues at the head of the Church. Joseph got so mad that he ordered the printing press to be destroyed. As mayor, he was put into jail for the obstruction of justice and infringement of the freedom of the press. To complicate matters even more, he had announced he was going to run for president and “bring justice to [his] people”, which shortly followed a ‘prophecy’ of his that if the country didn’t right the wrongs done to the mormons, that it would be overturned and smitten of God.People (including his mason lodge) began to fear that his local power would soon develop into a national reign of terror (a little far-fetched, but a real concern for frontier townspeople who didn’t follow national politics), so a mob of 20-30 men (not 200, as some mormon sources claim) was organized to put him to death while he was in jail. Joseph died not unjustly as a martyr, but as a crook and in a gunfight in which he killed two people and injured one.
How many of you knew.
How many of you knew that L. Ron Hubbard was the creator of the original TV show Battle Star Galactica?I heard this tonight on the radio and I was surprised. I loved the show when it was on TV and I never made the connection before.Has anyone else noticed the similarities between the power structure of…
I think that’s wrong. Glen Larson was the creator of the original BSG, I *think*.Hubbard wrote ‘Battlefield Earth’, a highly successful sci-fi novel that eventually became a flop of a movie.EDIT : Tmarie99, the question specifically stated the ORIGINAL Battlestar series, not the current version. You called Zina Rae a fool, yet it is you who looks like a jackass with your comments.
Why do Christians not commend L. Ron Hubbard for verifying KEY Biblical Doctrines.
I would have liked to simply leave the question as it is, and let the Answerers affirm the truth of what I have said.(I have to enter all this on my phone, because there is NO MAINS ELECTRICITY ANYWHERE IN TOWN OR ON CAMPUS. This is part of life in Africa. The public officials loot the treasuries, and divide the…
Ok going through the question as a 16 year old, with the idea that no religion should have tax exempt status or receive grants for the government, but everything has the right to be called religion I will answer your immediate question.I don’t care if it affirmed the christian beliefs or not. Just know that it is a massive burst of energy creating matter. This could be caused by some random force or god. The theory is what is important.
How did Hubbard claim to have found the ‘tech’ that is presently the foundation for Scientology.
I understand that many documents, and discoveries by L. Ron Hubbard are presently used as foundations of Scientology doctrine. How is it claimed that he came up with this information? Did he do research, if so where? Did he claim to find ancient documents? I’m curious how he claims to have discovered these…
He said he discovered it himself. No ancient documents, no divine revelation, he just did his own “research”… which is total BS since he really created the cult as a money-making scheme.L. Ron Hubbard, the science fiction writer & “prophet” of Scientology, has been quoted as saying: “Writing for a penny a word is ridiculous. If a man really wants to make a million dollars, the best way would be to start his own religion” http://lisatrust.freewinds.cx/scientolog…The cult is mostly a high powered scam. It pays members 10% commissions, called FSM (Field Staff Member) commissions, for bringing in new recruits who take a course or get counseling, so Scientology members routinely try to “sell” Scientology to others.The new members then, in turn, are required to pay vast amounts of money to the “church” in order to receive “auditing”, courses, literature, take tests, retake tests, etc. Here is a run-down of all the costs involved with Scientology membership: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology…Here is testimony from a woman who had been involved in exposing Scientology & other cults for most of her adult life: http://www.clambake.org/archive/books/ts…Even more proof that Scientology is out for your money… here is Hubbard discussing turning the business of Scientology into a “religion” for profit:”I am not quite sure what we would call the place – probably not a clinic – but I am sure that it ought to be a company, independent of the HAS (Hubbard Association of Scientologists) but fed by the HAS. We don’t want a clinic. We want one in operation but not in name. Perhaps we could call it a Spiritual Guidance Center. Think up its name, will you. … It is a problem of practical business. I await your reaction on the religion angle.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology_controversy#L._Ron_Hubbard_and_starting_a_religion_for_money
Has anyone heard of the Rumor that the founder of Scientology (Hubbard) wrote this secret book that leaked.
The online book is called “The Present” and can be read on a site called Truth Contest (a search engine can find it).The rumor is that Hubbard wrote it before his death, but it wasn’t released because the time was not right (something to do with planets aligning or something).Somehow the…
I agree with all those who came before me here to answer that L. Ron Hubbard’s Scientology and his other attempts at what he called “science” ( without being applicable to scientific method! ) are more honestly termed Science Fiction.What I find astonishing and a view into how human nature permits such selective acceptance of what is real or not based upon effective propagandizing, is that there are MORE than five times as many people in the United States alone ( not counting their numbers in Europe and elsewhere) who believe that his Scientology could be real and that humans are all descended from aliens from a yet unknown to most earthlings planet named Theta and who believe they are a superior alien spawn..to those who don’t recognize these human origins..than there are Jews in the whole world who believe that Israel does not have the same human rights as all other nation peoples to have legally reestablished self-rule/soverignty in a DEMOCRATIC nation state ( but want a theocracy ruled by Messiah before Israel becomes a country again ).55,000 in the U.S. believe we’re all alien spawn from an unknown to the rest of us planet Theta..do they represent U.S. consensus? Then why would a tinier fringe group of Jews who want religious rule in Israel rather than the Democratic state that now exists, be considered a legitimate voice for the 14 million others? and why is it acceptable to lump them in with those who want to eliminate the world’s Jews including that fringe element LIVING IN Israel?Yet, do we see people talking about how large Scientology is? Do we see people claiming it is a major religion and huge movement?Yet, daily in Yahoo, especially in the section that Yahoo Answers permitted to be hijacked by hate propagandizing without enforcing their rules except for a small token gesture now and then, …we can find posts claiming that there are “many” Jews who are against Zionism ( meaning the right of the Jews to live in self-rule in the State of Israel in peace since that IS the only definition of Zionism that is real., it isn’t promoting racism because it is not in violation of Torah which PROHIBITS those things )I bring this up not to entirely sidetrack this question, but to raise an important point when speaking about any group..sometimes their impact or presence has nothing to do with logic, nor does it have to do with their impact in terms of numbers of adherents , that sometimes even relatively small groups..such as this fringe of Scientology that has a huge advertising budget..isn’t as big or influential in the world as they wish to make themselves out to be, however, they ARE effective in fooling many people you might think ” intelligent”….and the FACT that they are a larger number by a vast amount, than a group that OTHER propagandists also refer to to justify THEIR claims..shows that even the tiniest fringe element can be used to try to promote harmful claims.They serve as a lesson to employ logic when you look for any “ultimate truth”.If Hubbard was about ultimate truth rather than ultimate profits, he wouldn’t have been so easily uncovered as a fraud.As a woman who was overjoyed when I surprisingly had a child at age 37 after having been told I could not, I could never be convinced as his Dianetics book proposes, that ALL women “secretly” wish to abort every pregnancy. He insists that is true in all women, in all pregnancies.He also insists that it is harmful or traumatic experiences in the womb, usually during secretive attempts to self-induce abortions, and especially during sexual intercourse women have during pregnancy that traumatize the fetus, that are the cause of all human troubles and produce “engrams” that must be ‘cleared’…That is just one aspect of how illogical and repugnant I found Scientology to be.
How hard would it be to write my own holy book.
And can it really be that hard? considering my competition is the bible and the Quran.Should I should just nail my readers with hard facts?(Incase you’re wondering, I’m trying to find a new to scam people out of their money and religion is where its at!)
Not hard at all. Mohammad was able to do it, and look how many people bought his lies. L. Ron Hubbard did it. Joseph Smith did it. And these are just off the top of my head.With a track record like this, anybody could do it.
Was Scientology really Made up By a Sci-fi Writer named L.Ron Hubbard…. If it was, Why do people follow ….
it as a Religion? Are there really that many Naive People in the world?
Alright, here’s the low-down on Scientology. I hope you find it helpful and informative (and yes, I wrote this):Scientology, which questionably calls itself a new “religion”, is the brainchild of science fiction writer & occult enthusiast L. Ron Hubbard. The organization, by means of Hubbard’s self created psychotherapy technique called “Dianetics”, claims to be able to help rid members of any & all mental constraints including but not limited to emotional scarring (from this & “past” lives) due to “engrams” (past negative experiences stored in our unconscious mind), psychological disorders & chemical imbalances (the solution is to convince members that these things don’t actually exist) & drug dependence (including legally prescribed psychopharmaceuticals which counteract the effects of psychological disorders Scientologists believe to be nonexistent). Their “treatment” of substance abuse includes little more than massive, often dangerous doses of vitamins and unhealthy extended sessions in a sauna.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dianetics#S…Dianetics review: http://dir.salon.com/story/books/review/…http://www.time.com/time/magazine/articl…http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Narconon/detox.htmhttp://www.nypress.com/20/22/news&columns/feature.cfmScientology is most certainly NOT a religion. In fact, one of the only reasons they enjoy “tax exempt status” on religious ground in the United States is because they bullied the IRS into a “deal” through extremely aggressive barratry (which is the offense of persistently instigating groundless lawsuits) against said government agency & its officials, & arranged to drop all 2,500 frivolous lawsuits only when an “agreement” was reached. In addition, Scientology’s lawyers hired private investigators to dig up any “dirt” on IRS agents which was then used to blackmail or publicly smear all “vulnerable” agents. It was an all-out WAR that Scientology had waged against the IRS, & was even described as such by Scientology’s “CEO”, David Miscavige, in his 1993 speech to the International Association of Scientologists.http://legalminds.lp.findlaw.com/list/fedtax-l/msg00445.htmlhttp://www.lermanet.com/scientologynews/nytimes/nyt-irs-030997.htmhttp://www.factnet.org/headlines/give-away.htmhttp://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Cowen/essays/irs.htmlThe official Scientology organization is composed of a number of “levels”. One begins as a “preclear” & works their way up. One must purchase virtually every service crucial to advancement directly from the “church” & at staggering prices. “Auditing”, for example, is purchased in 12½ hour blocks, costing anywhere from $200-$750 for introductory sessions to between $8,000 & $9,000 for advanced sessions. Basically, Scientology claims to possess exclusive knowledge of the path to religious redemption & then charges obscene amounts of money for every tiny incremental step towards this end. Visit this link to see how $380,000 is a conservative estimate for the total cost of moving all the way up the Scientology hierarchal ladder: http://www.xenu.net/archive/prices.htmlThese are the total costs for auditing alone: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology_as_a_business#CostsHere’s an explanation of what “auditing” is: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20061224182319AA2nnd6At level OT III (Operating Thetan Level 3), some very strange & fiercely guarded secrets are imparted upon worthy members who have paid enough money to advance to such a level (and no, this isn’t a joke): The evil alien ruler Xenu killed millions of aliens (Thetans) from around the universe by kidnapping them, bringing them to earth in golden DC-8 “space-planes”, stacking them around volcanoes & blowing them up by dropping “h-bombs” into the volcanoes. Scientologists believe the souls of these aliens (these souls are “Body Thetans”) were captured, brainwashed & released; they then attached themselves to our ancestors (and according to Scientology’s belief in Thetan immortality, they also attached to us during “past lives”) & cause many of our mental & physical ills to this day. Auditing is said to “clear” us of these Body Thetans as well as the “mental implants” they supposedly impose on our minds. http://www.spaink.net/cos/essays/atack_ot3.htmlhttp://sf.irk.ru/www/ot3/spaink-ot3.htmlhttp://xenu.net/archive/leaflet/Xenu-Letter.pdfhttp://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/OTIII/Scientology has taken a very hostile stance towards psychiatry & psychiatric drugs irrespective of the fact that some people require medication to remain adequately functional during everyday life. It doesn’t recognize legitimate conditions like autism, epilepsy, bipolar disorder, schizophrenia, or ANY neurological disorder / chemical imbalance at all, & the “church” has been known to withhold prescription pharmaceuticals from members (often with harmful & deadly results). The “Church” blames psychiatry for the Holocaust, as well as school shootings & even September 11th. It’s been suggested that Hubbard’s vehement opposition was born of the psychiatric community’s rejection of his “tech” as a valid treatment method, but it’s also possible that Hubbard chose psychiatry as a scapegoat. Organizations like Scientology are notorious for villainizing a specific out-group because their “stand against the enemy” fosters cohesion within said organization, & psychiatry was an effective rallying point considering many people already distrust & oppose the mental health profession.http://www.anti-scientologie.ch/usa-scientology.htmhttp://www.lacitybeat.com/article.php?id=3137&IssueNum=136http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feature/2005/07/01/sci_psy/index_np.html?pn=1http://perkinstragedy.orgL. Ron Hubbard, the man behind the creation of Scientology, was & still is a controversial figure. Biographies & lists of personal accomplishments differ greatly between Scientology & non-Scientology publications as the “church” tends to exaggerate & outright lie about his early life, his education, his travels, his achievements etc, preferring to paint a distorted, flattering picture. Several books & articles present facts which flatly contradict these church-published accounts (links to free online copies of these books & articles are provided below), showing conclusively that he was NOT the brilliant, accomplished figure revered by Scientologists. During his autopsy, the sedative Vistaril™ was present in his body, which several of his assistants would later attest was only one of many psychiatric & pain medications Hubbard ingested over the years. It had also been said by many who knew Hubbard personally that at the end of his life he was “a psychopathic insane person screaming about BT’s [Body Thetans]…”http://www.apologeticsindex.org/Bare%20Faced%20Messiah.pdfhttp://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Library/Shelf/atack/contents.htmhttp://www.clambake.org/archive/books/mom/Messiah_or_Madman.txthttp://lisatrust.bogie.nl/scientology/essays/jeff-hubbard.htmTo be blunt, Scientology is a cult. It employs semi-legitimate psychotherapy & self-help methods to keep people loyal & convinced of its merit while it simultaneously sucks them dry financially & attempts to keep them far away from ANYONE, even friends & family, who would dissuade them from remaining in such a harmful situation. It bullies all known critics, opponents, “enemies”, etc, often through malicious litigation & character assassination. It’s a particularly greedy as well as manipulative & dangerous cult that takes its anti-psychiatry fanaticism to deadly limits.http://www.solitarytrees.net/racism/harass.htm#starthttp://www.factnet.org/Books/SocialControl/scs.html#tochttp://www.freedomofmind.com/resourcecenter/groups/s/scientology/pignotti/http://www.sptimes.com/2006/06/24/Tampabay/The_unperson.shtmlhttp://www.xenu.net/archive/personal_story/funkydonny.html
Was L. RON HUBBARD correct, when he said PreCLEARS hearing the XENU DOCTRINE would be DESTROYED by hearing it.
Jesus Commanded that his Disciples TELL NO ONE about his Heavenly Station and Identity, because people are supposed to hear all that DIRECTLY FROM GOD. If a person does not gain the ability to hear God themselves, WHAT WOULD BE THE POINT OF THEIR RELIGION? Could you learn Science, (or any subject at all,) if…
L Ron Hubbard didn’t say that and there is no such thing as xenu doctrine. All the doctrine is in the 18 basic books and accompanying lectures that you’re free to read in any library’s self-help section. The lectures are in any Church’s Qualifications Library which is open to all. You’ll also find doctrine in the free on-line courses available at http://www.scientology.org/courses.html. What is published on the internet as something we believe is laughed at (and rightly so)There was some data stolen from the Church and the people who stole it admit (see affidavits in the link below) that it was altered b4 being published on the internet in the hopes that people WOULD be harmed by it, and because they thought that there shouldn’t be anything that people not in Scientology or new to Scientology couldn’t see. The reason it wasn’t broadly published is based on a scale of gradients. You wouldn’t ask someone who is new to Karate to be able to do Black Belt abilities, would you? In order to get to Black, one would have to meet the tests for White, then Yellow, then green then purple then brown then black (order may be wrong). Same principle. It was known that you’d find it unbelievable and that result was intended. Critics of Scientology do their best to feed you with all kinds of BS to manipulate you. I’m amazed to this day how many actually believe it’s anything we “believe” in Scientology, including yourself, Scientology is something one DOES, not believe. It’s an APPLIED philosophy. How do you DO what’s on the internet? If it was valid technology then you’d be able to DO it..
Basically, where did L Ron Hubbard get the bulk of his information from.
I know he wrote voluminous amounts of books etc, and I have no doubt that many of his insights are basically true, but where did he generally get his info from? Did he claim to have access to higher knowledge than other people? How did he gain this access and was he in communion with supposed higher beings etc?…
He’s a writer. That was intended to be a fiction book (the one where Scientology derives). Call it: imagination
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